by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post This doesn't work either because you are not at the same game state after your opponent decides to not end the turn. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. Should you stop buying MtG products? The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. 1x. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. 603.1, 603.3). If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. Good job, WotC. 1x Canyon Slough. It has Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. Card Number: 289. If I put a +1/+1 counter on a creature that has a -1/- Can i exile my commander from the graveyard into the Press J to jump to the feed. Upvote 1. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back. by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post When it comes to Obeka (and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]), there is a difference between "until end of turn" and "at the beginning of the next end step". Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Obeka, Brute Chronologist - (G) (SF) (txt)Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Thank you so much everybody! Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . 719.1d; see also C.R. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. As you will be the next player with extra turns it means that the. #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! Card Kingdom $624 - 564. The end state has Obeka tapped. Wouldn't underworld breach exile at the end step of the next player: "At the beginning of the end step, sacrifice Underworld Breach." Likewise, "[do something] at end of combat" (e.g., in myriad [C.R. 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This doesn't work because you are the active player. Thanks! Magic the Gathering, FNM is TM and copyright Wizards of the Coast, Inc, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. Revolving around reoccurring powerful, expensive creatures from the graveyard via cheap spells, there have been a lot of iterations of this concept. Just to make it clear exactly when you should be using Obeka it's important to know when effects happen. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. by Muffins1001 1 year ago, Post You are not the active player. $1.80. Rulings. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step. Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". 719.1d; see also C.R. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.ea0ac1df4e6491a16d39_.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} 1 available @ $0.47 . Greven, Predator Captain the One Punch Man, Community Software Feedback and Bug Reports, Tresserhorn (zombies, check out my primer! Contact | I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. Steal shit, don't give it back. - from the comprehensive rules. There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. OP's wrong about how multi-player loops function, though. It's akin to "concede or I stall". The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. They naturally refuse. by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler 2020-11-10. Effects that last until the end of a turn end during the cleanup step of that turn. Card Kingdom Price From $0.22. Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad. Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. Firecat Blitz: how does it effect tokens that disappear on the end step . Check out BOTH decklists below!First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_ChronologistBudget list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2270235#Upping_the_Average_-_Obeka,_Brute_Chronologist_(Budget)Title sequence by Daniel Woodling / MTG Explainers: https://bit.ly/3982yYaCard images courtesy of Scryfall: https://scryfall.com/Elevate by LiQWYD https://soundcloud.com/liqwydCreative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported CC BY 3.0Free Download / Stream: https://bit.ly/liqwyd-elevateMusic promoted by Audio Library https://youtu.be/nwV8HN0m2eA Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. At any point in the game, the player with priority may suggest a shortcut by describing a sequence of game choices, for all players, that may be legally taken based on the current game state and the predictable results of the sequence of choices. Terms of Use | We ask the question "what can we do . Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. obeka, brute chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk 2020-11-10. Doesn't work at all. Rulings. "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} It is strictly against the rules. To make things even more muddy, you have cards like Corpse Dance where their card text reads end of turn but their oracle text reads end of next end step. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. DMCA requests | This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC Obeka, Brute Chronologist. planning on building an Obeka, Brute Chronologist commander deck, but first i want to see how her turn ending ability interacts with other cards:. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} Terms of Use | Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Even though the outcome *COULD* be different, it's not guaranteed to be, so it's just stalling. All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. I have demonstrated a loop. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. Please link all cards using double brackets. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. 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Monday, December 14th, 2020. by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Obeka is a lot trickier to know what you can and can't do than she seems on the surface, and part of this is due to obsolete wording found on some of the best cards to use her with. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. This isn't even a real thing. I play a lot of Magic. 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In this deck tech I've tried a taste of all three.Pat. Out of stock. yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. Your opponents, thus, can say no as many times as they want. 3) State-based actions are checked. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. Out of stock. All of 722 has relevant text to the interaction but the exploit I'm proposing utilizes 722.3 specifically: "Sometimes a loop can be fragmented, meaning that each player involved in the loop performs an independent action that results in the same game state being reached multiple times. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. But with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), you can "cancel" certain abilities that say "at the beginning of the next end step" or "at end of combat", if you end the turn at the right moment. Commander Legends Foil: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Edition: Commander Legends: Type: Legendary Creature - Ogre Wizard: Cast: Rarity: R: Pow/Tuf: 3/4 . If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. The only stipulated way in the rules (for the given scenario) to force your opponent to take an action they don't want to take is via 722.3. Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. I just realized that your Avatar "Kaho, Minamo Historian" goes infinite for 6 mana with Finale Fortune o.O, Wish we could find room for Glorious End as well. 514.2). With the release of Magic 2010, all cards that used to say "at end of turn" were changed to say either "at the beginning of the end step" or "at the beginning of the next end step" (C.R. The beginning state has Obeka untapped. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Feeds | you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. Okay, hear me out, but what if you could steal someone's big, bad creature, forever, for just three mana*? Discord Server | Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. Act of Treason, Giant Growth, Crew (Smuggler's Copter), etc will all end on the cleanup step of the current turn. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. Add to Cart 1; $0.32 . After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. On the other hand, the phrase "at the beginning of the next end step" expresses what is called a delayed triggered ability (it has the word "at") (C.R. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. 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